If your gun tends to reject one brand, try another brand before giving up on steel-cased ammo altogether. Is it OK to shoot corroded ammo? So, our team set out to test and determine what differences you can expect when shooting brass vs. steel cased ammo in this epic torture test. Regards, Bill For the first concern, the steel in steel cased ammo is way softer than the steel in your firearm, so it's not going to damage your barrel/chamber or anything like that. Reactions: Harmless Drudge and Beer. 2. Where would we be, without the miracles of marketing? Long story short, if you want to shoot steel cased ammo, do it. I have DW Vigil CCO 1911, in 45acp, that I have just broken in, and is working fine. If the gun is broken in first with brass cased ammo this helps seal the gas system somewhat which will make the lower powered steel cased ammo . Cheap can be good. Knowing this I don't shoot too many practice rounds out my very accurate high power guns. Particularly during WWII when copper became scarce due to the crap ton of ammo being made outstripped the ability to mine copper. * Please Check the Shipping Price . A no choke (cylinder) shotgun will shoot steel just fine. aluminum casings are more prone to expand, explode, split or burn in the chamber. It's widely used by people. The shot column is contained in a plastic wad and does not touch the barrel as it shoots down the barrel. The internet swirls with all kinds of opinions on steel-cased ammunition. I decided to see if I could hit the 12"x12" swinging steel plate at 100 yards before. They don't want to deal with any of the above, and 2. Posts liked by others. Therefore I tend to stay with brass. When he was at the gun shop where he purchased the gun the guy told him "DO NOT shoot steel case ammo through this gun!". I've had two mini-14 but I never shot steel out of them. The co-efficient of steel on steel is high compaired to brass on steel. It is much softer than the steel used to make gun barrels and actions. Rumors have been floating around the internet for a couple years about the steel cased Berdan primed ammo causing broken firing pins in the Mini-30. Others claim the heat of firing will melt the thin coating on the exterior of the case, which is applied to prevent the steel from rusting. (See Rule 10.5.15) For example, a steel-cased .45 ACP is essentially a straight-walled case, but the working pressures are . Generally speaking, steel-cased ammunition is not dangerous for your firearm. It really pains me to see what used to be a reputable brand like Winchester selling steel cased 9mm ammo at prices not really that much lower than good ammo. I think the relatively straight case of the .223/5.56 case isn't that good of a match for steel cased ammo as it doesn't seem to seal the chamber as well. 5.5.3 Metal piercing, steel core, incendiary, and/or tracer ammunition, as well as ammunition loaded with steel-jacketed projectiles is prohibited at USPSA matches. (magnums) But i don't think we'll hurt the military barrels there made for this ammo. The Shield is a very small handgun firing a reasonably powerful standard velocity cartridge and a particularly powerful higher velocity cartridge considering the pistol's balance and mass. also check this. I pick up a box of aluminum cases rounds for much less than other (brass) cased rounds, I can have a lot more practice and fun at the range for t. I got my new 91/30 laminated from J&G and off to the range I went. The vast majority of my steel cased ammo shooting is 9mm by a huge margin. * Shipping Prices Will Vary Small Items, High Dollar Items and Large and Are Heavy Items. Steel does not contract as easily as brass, so if a chamber has any roughness or tool marks in it from the manufacturing process, the friction caused by the case not contracting enough — and the rough chamber — can cause poor extraction. Also, most wolf stuff is lacquer covered, which after time can gum up the works. The only thing I've read is the bi-metal jacketed bullets might wear a barrel out sooner, but I figure the money I save by shooting steel will offset the cost of a new barrel. Personally I wouldn't use steel cased ammo for a lot of shooting - once and a while it probably wont hurt. I had a problem with steel cased rounds being jammed in my HK45. So, yes, steel-cased ammo will wear your AR-15 out faster than brass ammo will. I know DW, does not recommend using steel cases ammo, but do you think 100 rounds could damage my Vigil? Aug 13, 2020. Its much easier to clean a gun than repair one! I had some surplus sivertip tip FMJ ammo and loaded one shell. HansGruber said: I have some steel cased ammo in a few calibers—556, 762x39, 9mm, .45-because it's got incredibly long shelf life under adverse conditions. Jun 15, 2018. 1. Oct 1, 2011. Cost savings of shooting the Tula over 10,000 rounds would be about $300. But in this case, the problem is that it is STEEL cased ammo. One manufacturer (Ruger) in particular says not to use it. Save. I'v seen casings come out of a 1911 that looked like some one took a torch to and cut it. However, you must thoroughly clean the barrel, action, bolt or bolt carrier group (bcg), and . CMMG has warnings . After a stout recoil and round expanded and bulged out of the chaber and when the extractor came back and latched onto it the entire gun was frozen up. 3: No, Bi-metal bullet jackets do not damage the barrel. 4: No, current imported ammo (especially with the 9x19mm caliber) do not have steel cores if a magnet sticks to the bullet. Sold it to carver a couple of years ago and I think he still shoots steel ammo in it. That said, it's important to note that a lot, if not most, steel-cased ammo is produced to less-strict tolerances and with less consistency than brass ammo. And for quite some time, it was my main go-to ammo, because it was so cheap.cases of 9mm for under $100, delivered, .45 for a little more. We have tested our 9mm in multiple platforms and have yet to find anything that will not fire the round and cycle the firearm. However, some shooters believe that the softer metal can cause more wear and tear on your gun's barrel and chamber. This seemingly simple variation has caused a never ending stream of argument, discussion, speculation, and questioning from new and seasoned shooters alike. If used exclusively however it will reduce the barrel life by about 4,000-5,000 rounds. Cabela's had some "on sale" on their email list this morning and the reviews of it were horrible (2 1/2 stars). OT; I'm not sure which would hurt the gun more using the 7,62x39 steel cased ammo. However, if you plan on switching from steel to brass, clean the chamber extremely well before doing so . Some folks claim that steel-cased ammo will damage your gun because steel is harder than brass, which is the traditional material used for metallic cartridge cases. But that's because most steel-cased ammo is aimed at a cheaper market in general. Aluminum is a cheap and very soft metal, so that's your benefit and downfall summed up right there. Only show this user. 2) DO NOT use Winchester White Box 115g FMJ ammo. I seriously, seriously doubt it will ever hurt the gun, so long as the rounds you use are the same spec as the chamber of the MR1 (5.56 nato). Ammo that will be banned: All steel case ammo in the following calibers: 5.45×39, 7.62×39, 7.62×54, 7.62×51, 5.56/.223, .300 Blackout, 6.5 Grendel, .380, 9×19 and others too numerous to . 2. level 1. nickl220. There's no reason you can't shoot corrosive steel case 7.62x39mm or 7.62x54r ammo in your SKS, AK-47, or Mosin Nagant rifles. The short answer is NO. Now, miraculously, steel-cased ammo will no longer hurt your gun. I've never had an issue with any brand of steel and will continue to shoot it for cheap, plinking ammo. Aluminum cases are less expensive to produce than brass cases, so they are often used in budget-friendly ammunition. I'll "stick" to brass hulls in my firearms. New member. To reduce friction and enhance cycling, steel-cased ammunition often has an . Post. lacquer is smoother/more slick. Steel-cased ammunition does not accelerate wear and tear on your firearm either. In general, discount steel-cased ammo is dirtier and smellier than MIL-SPEC Lake City manufactured 5.56 NATO ammunition.Further, it is not quite as accurate either, but many shooters won't miss a half-MOA here or there. I have heard that theory too, and I seriously doubt that you will fire enough steel cased ammo in your lifetime to cause excessive wear in you gun. Getting the case out is easy, just use a bore rod or a cleaning rod and start from the muzzle and tap the casing out. Now available in even more calibers for all of your recreational, competitive, and tactical shooting enjoyment. It all comes down to the hardness of metals. Brass is more malleable than steel. Ranges sometimes ban steel-cased ammo altogether for two reasons: 1. This would easily cover the cost of a replacement barrel, should it wear out in 10,000 rounds, which is highly unlikely. I recently sold a 1,000 round case of Tulammo 223, a 150 round box of Remington green tip 556 and five AR-15 magazines to my wife's boss for $300. You have a variety of metals (as well as other materials) used to make the components in your firearm. Thanks for the input. It does go bang almost every time and probably won't hurt your gun. One difference between steel-cased rifle and pistol ammo is the working chamber pressure. You can find steel-cased ammunition for many different cartridge types, but it's most common among the high-volume military or popular civilian rounds. The debate over steel-cased ammunition seem. In the future, any loaded ammo for my guns will be re loadable brass as I have the equipment to do so. I can't believe steel cased bullets did this . If the cases and bullets are clean, smooth, and not corroded, the rounds should shoot fine. We ran a test in our full auto of 150 rounds of steel and 150 rounds of brass and could not tell a difference in cleanliness but worst case scenario . The above "torture test" indicated that excessive barrel wear was a contributing factor in a loss of accuracy at 4000 + rounds fired for steel-cased ammo. Lacquer is GREAT. For example, a steel-cased .45 ACP is essentially a straight-walled case, but the working pressures are around 20,000 psi which make extraction easier. I personally only use brass case ammo because of wear and extraction problems. There have been cases where live ammo was tumbled for a week or longer with no degradation of the powder or impacted primers. But don't make the mistake of thinking that all steel cased ammo is crap. The old Soviet Bloc countries have manufactured and used used steel ammunition in their AK platforms since day one, the AK / SKS is somehow designed to function with that ammo. I shoot practice ammo, and then routinely check the accuracy and function with high quality self defense loads. Steel cased ammo may have gotten a bad rap, but there's nothing wrong with it. Some people believe that aluminum cased ammo is bad for your gun, but this is not necessarily true. Yeah, ammo was cheap back then compared to today, but we were broke 21 year-old college students, and the thought of 1000 rounds was just about mind boggling. At the conclusion of the test, the barrels were cut and examined further which confirmed this to be the case. The problem with steel shot is that it is not malleable like lead. When my wife told me this I just laughed and asked her, "So how . While I don't generally recommend steel cased ammo, it's not going to hurt your rifle in limited amounts. The 7.62 NATO, 7.62 Soviet, 5.56x45mm, and 9mm Luger are examples of cartridges often found with steel cases. In warm, dry areas such as California, it can . Not only is the steel a "soft" steel but it is also "annealed" or . Some shooters' note that steel case ammo can be dirtier than brass ammo. If it's steel or lacquered steel, consider returning to brass. Last on our list of the best .223 ammo for practice is Wolf Gold. Once it builds up, a brass-cased round expands into the gook and gets "glued" into the barrel. It's cheap ammo, it isn't going to hurt your gun, and for the range it's fine. Unlike Russian manufactured Wolf steel cased ammo, Wolf Gold is brass cased ammo made in Taiwan. A lot of military ammo over the years was made with steel cases. Quite simply, if you plan to use inexpensive steel case ammo, also plan to clean your semi-automatic gun more frequently. I believe this is more due to the lower quality and expense of manufacture leading to . . However, some shooters believe that the softer metal can cause more wear and tear on your gun's barrel and chamber. It is even worse if you fire a bunch of steel cased ammo then fire brass cased right behind it in a dirty chamber. Like Doc said, the chamber of your pistol is far harder than the cases you're firing. I use it all the time in my AR, I just clean it well afterwards. When extractors break while using brass cases, you certainly don't hear people saying "Don't use brass cases, they break extractors". Following WWII all steel cased ammo was considered bad due to the failure of gun owners to properly clean their weapons. Score: 4.3/5 (42 votes) . by Righteous2u » Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:51 pm. Aluminum cases are less expensive to produce than brass cases, so they are often used in budget-friendly ammunition. First of all, let's talk about why steel cased ammunition is "bad for your gun". Yes. When reloading your steel case ammo only neck size, the steel case ammo doesn't expand much at all, when its expanded to fit your chamber you want to keep it that way, try and use a faster burning powder and a strong crimp as it pushes the steel out faster. However, we do recommend that you use a full-size pistol or carbine for optimum performance and velocity. The only way to tell the difference is to actually cut open the bullet and inspect its composition. I had what was either a series of firings out of battery or overcharged loads of steelcased . The only negative I've heard that has actually born out true in my experience is that steel cased can have extraction/feeding problems in guns primarily designed for brass cased. Steel rusts, and the rust can cause the case to lose a lot of strength. Regards, Bill While steel is harder than brass, the type of steel used in this ammo is much softer than any steel component of . This is due to the powder, not the case though. I can only think of one reason: the copper gilding came off shortly after entering the barrel, leaving exposed steel on steel. I personally stay away from all steel and aluminum casings. The more rounds fired, the more the bore is hammered. 99% of the time I check AR-15 ammo prices this is the cheapest brass cased option available. Is Wolf ammo bad for your gun? While steel is harder than brass, the type of steel used in this ammo is much softer than any steel component of . I don't think Mini's aren't as bad as ARs since the mini isn't trying to blow gas directly into the chamber to function the rifle. Steel core rounds can damage backstops. A little extra care and attention can keep your gun running on a diet of steel. But, they say, none of that is true. Save up and buy bulk and then you can get some decent ammo to run through your P365 or any gun that you have. Dec 3, 2019. Steel rubbing on steel will eventually gall the feed ramp and chamber even if the cartridge case is soft. The reason the steel cased ammo is "bad" for an AR, is because steel does not expand as well as brass. Some people believe that aluminum cased ammo is bad for your gun, but this is not necessarily true. #5. Keep in mind the warning signs of unusable and potentially unsafe cartridges: Split case necks. Answer (1 of 9): In my experience, the biggest problem with steel case is not the barrel or chamber, it's the extractor, especially on AR platforms that get worn or even seen just break when running steel case. I'll "stick" to brass hulls in my firearms. Why steel ammo is bad? Steel cased ammo just does it faster then . The solution is simple; clean your gun. I surveyed the following manufacturers on the subject of steel-cased ammo in defensive pistols. Brass cases will discolor, which usually causes no problems. I ever sighted it in. The general consensus is that steel cases can not be reloaded. Older steel-cased Russian or Chinese ammo stored in spam cans will contain corrosive components in their Berdan Primers. The 7.62 chamber is looser on the .308 cartridge right off the bat, in addition, the steel casing does not allow for very much expansion. At times I do shoot Tulammo or Wolf .223 in my bolt action .223 Weatherby, have never had a problem with it. But does it matter? The main concerns, tied to those myths, people have are: Steel cases damaging the firearm and the term steel case being equitable to corrosive ammo. This causes less of the byproducts from the explosion to remain in the chamber and internals of the firearm. On the other hand, the 9 mm, especially in military loads, is twice the pressure of the .45 ACP. The MP5 performs well . Brass case 9mm, such as Speer Lawman, about the least expensive out there now, is about $210/1000. Generally speaking, steel-cased ammunition is not dangerous for your firearm. Steel doesn't expand like brass does during the firing cycle, and as a result carbon can build up between the case and the chamber wall. Again if you are familiar at all with the P365 Threads in here there is a common fact among them. Our specially formulated PolyFormance coating ensures smoother feeding and extraction. Because TulAmmo's projectiles will fail the magnet test, some ranges will prohibit the use of TulAmmo. This, in turn, caused a hammering effect, and pushed the rifling back into the barrel. Buy Norinco 7.62x39mm Steel Case Ammo: GunBroker is the largest seller of Rifle Ammunition Ammunition All: 935136954. . Not all manuals by the manufacturers shown below were examined, but several of the . The steel jacketed bullet or the steel case. Thanks again. . I've never . Steel-cased ammunition does not accelerate wear and tear on your firearm either. | The Gun Owner. Brass, being less hard than steel, will spring back to a smaller dimension than a steel case will after firing. Many people think its dirtier because the steel case isn't as forgiving as brass and so more spent carbon theoretically gets deposited into the chamber. Handgun ammunition has used steel cases going back 100 years. One difference between steel-cased rifle and pistol ammo is the working chamber pressure. Used to have a bolt action 7.62X39 and shot nothing but Tula in it, never had a problem. Wolf Ammunition is NOT bad for your gun. In most cases, no it does not. Jun 30, 2012. Most manufacturers don't recommend it, because steel cased stuff is a little rougher on the gun. Caliber / Gauge: 7.62 X 39mm Type: FMJ Weight: 123 grain Muzzle Velocity: 2362 Package Quantity: 20 55. I will keep loading my brass cases (7.62x39) for varmint shooting and use the steel for letting off steam. Some have complaints, others don't. In the end, it depends on your gun. Answer (1 of 5): No it won't. (see Roy Sakabu's answer). I suspect that the cost of aluminum cased ammo will rise with the tariff but there is no tariff on brass so the aluminum cased stuff will be the same price eventually. Anyone know where I can get some once fired 7.62x39 brass at a reasonable price? The steel let a ton of carbon blow back past the case and into the chamber. Generally the steel cased ammo is cheaper than the brass cased "premium" brands, if you accept it for what it is and get good results, have fun. The Military through out the world uses steel cased ammo. It's good to go but not reloadable. Those which are loaded with brass. Our Shipping prices are * Hand Guns 25 dollars, * Long Guns 35 Dollars, * & Accessories 15 Dollars. Answer (1 of 12): Arguably well. The use of steel cased ammo will not harm the gun at all and some guns will yield good results, seldom up to the full potential of a firearm, but it can be an acceptable cheap source for ammo. While I don't generally recommend steel cased ammo, it's not going to hurt your rifle in limited amounts.If used exclusively however it will reduce the barrel life by about 4,000-5,000 rounds. When you fire the round, the case will fireform to the chamber, brass creates a better seal than steel. Steel & Wood. 3. 3,357. One guy had scored a case of wolf steel-case .40 at a gun show, and he was the envy of the group. (See #1). Hornady Steel Match 223 Remington 75gr Hollow Point Ammo - Box of 50 - $32.99 - .223 Remington - 75 grain - Hollow point - Steel cased - Box of 50 "Ten bullets through one hole" is the philosophy that brought Hornady Manufacturing from a two-man operation in 1949, to a world-leading innovator of #10. Steel Case Ammo Warning. TMD. The more you fire any firearm the dirtier it will get. This included an examination of their current published user manuals; with the exception of the Ruger SR-series, steel-cased ammunition was not specifically mentioned. It protects the steel case from rust way better than the crappy polymer Wolf is using now, and it increases the lubricity of the case. And surprisingly you do get some bang for your buck. . Steel cased ammo is safe to use in modern firearms because the steel used in the case is very soft. This is generally due to the heavy concentration of steel in the jacket. I see it over and over and over.. Brass, being less hard than steel, will spring back to a smaller dimension than a steel case will after firing. and carry a steel rod, to punch . There's nothing wrong with Russian steel-cased ammo, other than it smells . Some ranges use the magnet test to rule whether or not certain ammo can be used. But before shooting any ammo that has been stored for years, check each round in a box carefully. Here is a closeup of Tulammo 45 acp steel cased ammo for the Glock 21. Haha. I dislike the switch from steel to brass, so I rarely shoot steel cased ammo. Steel case ammunition is allowed, provided the projectile does not stick to a magnet. Range restrictions: Some ranges don't allow steel case ammo. My guess is that since the Scar was made to run like a boss when dirty, they probably made the chamber slightly looser fitting to the 7.62 cartridges making them very loose on .308. Let's own up to a few facts first. "If you run steel through your gun, it'll ruin the chamber." "If it doesn't run steel, it doesn't deserve brass." Also we do not recommend our 9mm 185gr ammo for H&K™ USP, P2000, P30, or VP9 platforms. Each bullet only hits the bore once; the barrel gets hit with each shot. In a tig. At least we hope! Most of these Urban Legends regarding steel cased ammunition has to do with corrosive Berdan primers. My thoughts on the steel cased stuff: Read your owners manuals or call the manufacturers to see if it's ok in their guns before you use it. They can't collect steel cases and sell them like they can with brass, since steel cases are non-reloadable. The dirtiness of the steel ammo makes the extraction of my favorite brass cases ammo more difficult. Popular 7.62×39 ammo. There's nothing about steel-cased ammo that says this has to be the case, however. I recently received as a birthday gift, 100 rounds of Monarch Steel cased .45 acp ammo. Tulammo is a great range/blasting ammo. #TheGunOwner #Californiaguns #SteelCasedAmmoWhat Does Shooting Steel Cased Bullets Do To Guns? On the other hand, studies have shown that over 10,000 rounds of . The old Soviet Bloc countries have manufactured and used used steel ammunition in their AK platforms since day one, the AK / SKS is somehow designed to function with that ammo. 3) Wolf Gold 55-Grain .223 Remington. READ: Winchester issues warning, recal on some .22LR . Jan 6, 2017. Save. The internet swirls with all kinds of opinions on steel-cased ammunition.